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	<title>Comments on: What do you know about tin whiskers?</title>
	<link>http://rocketscientist.today.com/2008/10/06/what-do-you-know-about-tin-whiskers/</link>
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		<title>By: omer</title>
		<link>http://rocketscientist.today.com/2008/10/06/what-do-you-know-about-tin-whiskers/#comment-2592</link>
		<dc:creator>omer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi all ? have a home work  What is the area of how to grow whisker  send to me mail please   my mail adress is omerdayi@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi all ? have a home work  What is the area of how to grow whisker  send to me mail please   my mail adress is <a href="mailto:omerdayi@hotmail.com">omerdayi@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: stephanieebarr</title>
		<link>http://rocketscientist.today.com/2008/10/06/what-do-you-know-about-tin-whiskers/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>stephanieebarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any comment from you, Gumby, is welcome.</description>
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		<title>By: stephanieebarr</title>
		<link>http://rocketscientist.today.com/2008/10/06/what-do-you-know-about-tin-whiskers/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>stephanieebarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you *Lynne*, always a pleasure to see a new face.  

ravyn, welcome!

Something else that can be used in fiction, past, present and future is "tin pest."  Pure tin, when it gets cold, can change from it's lovely and useful metallic form into a brittle powdery form of tin that no longer is ductile or conducts electricity the same.  Cold, in this case, is 13.2 Deg C.  And it grows.  It's also called "tin leprosy" or "tin disease."

Of course, in the past, we didn't have electronics, but we did have tin utensils and objets d'art.  It has corrupted pipe organs.

Check out Wikipedia on this topic for some useful info and examples.  It's fun to learn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you *Lynne*, always a pleasure to see a new face.  </p>
<p>ravyn, welcome!</p>
<p>Something else that can be used in fiction, past, present and future is &#8220;tin pest.&#8221;  Pure tin, when it gets cold, can change from it&#8217;s lovely and useful metallic form into a brittle powdery form of tin that no longer is ductile or conducts electricity the same.  Cold, in this case, is 13.2 Deg C.  And it grows.  It&#8217;s also called &#8220;tin leprosy&#8221; or &#8220;tin disease.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, in the past, we didn&#8217;t have electronics, but we did have tin utensils and objets d&#8217;art.  It has corrupted pipe organs.</p>
<p>Check out Wikipedia on this topic for some useful info and examples.  It&#8217;s fun to learn!</p>
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		<title>By: stephanieebarr</title>
		<link>http://rocketscientist.today.com/2008/10/06/what-do-you-know-about-tin-whiskers/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>stephanieebarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flit, I first "heard about them" when we found some 23 cm long in some Shuttle hardware.  What really amazed me was that, though I took classes in electrical engineering and knew many electrical engineers, no one had ever mentioned this before.  MOST electrical engineers don't know about this, or didn't before the new laws in the European Union precluding the use of lead.  When I found out how old a phenomena this was, it floored me again because that means we're doing a poor job of carrying our information forward so we have to relearn our lessons.

Interestingly enough, the reason I became really immersed in this for a year or so was because, since electronics were pressurized, it was assumed they couldn't cause metal vapor arcing at 28 VDC.  That seemed like a heck of an assumption and I couldn't find anything that made that so.  I asked and they said "the expert told us."  So I asked the expert and he said, "Well, we really don't know.  We could get metal vapor arcing (MVA) at 28VDC in a vacuum but probably not in 1 atm."  Probably sounded too much like speculation to me.

I work for a really cool company that does research and support for the Air Force, NASA and several other space-related  organization and, doing research, I'd stumbled upon two scientists who were exploring the minimum voltage level at vacuum for MVA.  I called them and asked what the minimum was for 1 atm and they said, "No one knows."  I asked if it could be 28 VDC and they said, "You know, my research money would cover a test, if you wanted."  I wanted.

Not ten minutes later, they scientist call me back and said, "That was great!"  Guess what will MVA at 28 VDC?  Spectacularly.  (I think their papers on are the Goddard Whisker website, too.)

It turns out that the circuits in question weren't susceptible to MVA because current was clamped down with inductors.  They could never pull enough into the system to sustain it.  But we never would have found that out without checking.

This is important, though, because many thing MVA is not an issue here on the ground and normal circuit protection is not sufficient to preclude it.

Damn, I'm such a geek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flit, I first &#8220;heard about them&#8221; when we found some 23 cm long in some Shuttle hardware.  What really amazed me was that, though I took classes in electrical engineering and knew many electrical engineers, no one had ever mentioned this before.  MOST electrical engineers don&#8217;t know about this, or didn&#8217;t before the new laws in the European Union precluding the use of lead.  When I found out how old a phenomena this was, it floored me again because that means we&#8217;re doing a poor job of carrying our information forward so we have to relearn our lessons.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, the reason I became really immersed in this for a year or so was because, since electronics were pressurized, it was assumed they couldn&#8217;t cause metal vapor arcing at 28 VDC.  That seemed like a heck of an assumption and I couldn&#8217;t find anything that made that so.  I asked and they said &#8220;the expert told us.&#8221;  So I asked the expert and he said, &#8220;Well, we really don&#8217;t know.  We could get metal vapor arcing (MVA) at 28VDC in a vacuum but probably not in 1 atm.&#8221;  Probably sounded too much like speculation to me.</p>
<p>I work for a really cool company that does research and support for the Air Force, NASA and several other space-related  organization and, doing research, I&#8217;d stumbled upon two scientists who were exploring the minimum voltage level at vacuum for MVA.  I called them and asked what the minimum was for 1 atm and they said, &#8220;No one knows.&#8221;  I asked if it could be 28 VDC and they said, &#8220;You know, my research money would cover a test, if you wanted.&#8221;  I wanted.</p>
<p>Not ten minutes later, they scientist call me back and said, &#8220;That was great!&#8221;  Guess what will MVA at 28 VDC?  Spectacularly.  (I think their papers on are the Goddard Whisker website, too.)</p>
<p>It turns out that the circuits in question weren&#8217;t susceptible to MVA because current was clamped down with inductors.  They could never pull enough into the system to sustain it.  But we never would have found that out without checking.</p>
<p>This is important, though, because many thing MVA is not an issue here on the ground and normal circuit protection is not sufficient to preclude it.</p>
<p>Damn, I&#8217;m such a geek.</p>
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		<title>By: ravyn</title>
		<link>http://rocketscientist.today.com/2008/10/06/what-do-you-know-about-tin-whiskers/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>ravyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, nifty...  Pity I never work in modern settings, or I'd be all over that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, nifty&#8230;  Pity I never work in modern settings, or I&#8217;d be all over that.</p>
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		<title>By: flit</title>
		<link>http://rocketscientist.today.com/2008/10/06/what-do-you-know-about-tin-whiskers/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>flit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know that I'll ever have occasion to use this...but it was a very interesting read anyway. 

Would have never guessed that I would be interested in such things!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;ll ever have occasion to use this&#8230;but it was a very interesting read anyway. </p>
<p>Would have never guessed that I would be interested in such things!</p>
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